New Montana Conservative Blog Plagiarizes Entire Article

18th September 2007

When the new Montana conservative blog MtPundit was introduced to me by this post at Intelligent Discontent, I was intrigued. Could it be that there was another place to debate the issues? Possibly? This came after our hopes were dashed by astroturfing at The Hardliner. There was much talk initially about spelling and grammar problems at MtPundit, but I tried to ignore them and focus more on content:

widd59, it isn’t just about the grammar, it is also about the content. While I am the last person to correct a writer’s grammar or spelling, you will note that I have done neither here, it does make the posts a bit of a challenge to read. The big issue with me is the content. It is juvenile content presented in a juvenile manner.

I proceeded to point out what I thought was wrong with the post. Noting that the author, Hagen, was taking advise from others on grammar and spelling, he might take note and present some analysis and thought. It may have seemed condescending, but I was really trying to help. David Crisp at Billings Blog also pointed out the problems in content in a very constructive manner in an excellent post called ‘Punditry Done Wrong“. Wulgar followed suit, in his own way, in a post called The Dumbest Thing You’re Going To Read All Week.

And it worked. This past weekend a fairly thoughtful post appeared on the political leanings of the military. It has room for debate and was relatively well written with almost no grammatical errors. So, I have checked back often and engaged in a little debate.

To be fair, it has mostly been lefty bloggers who have been critical of them. Consider that Steve from Rabid Sanity comments there frequently, has used one of their posts as a starting point to attack Democrats. Andy from the Hammond Report has welcomed them warmly. Hagen has engaged in debate and discussions at many other conservative blogs across the state. Good. I always welcome new opinions.

I visited the site tonight in my normal round of Montana blogs and noticed a new post titled Greenspan is Right about “Republicans”. This could be interesting. As I read it, I started getting a sinking feeling in my stomach. Something was way wrong here. Way wrong. Not only was the grammar perfect, the content was rational and grounded to the point that it was light years ahead of the content I had previously seen there. The voice was different. It all felt wrong. My google-foo is pretty good, so I copied a single sentence and pasted it into google and came up with a piece from the Illinois Review called Greenspan is Right about the Republicans and the Economy by John Bambenek.

Besides the title, let’s look at a few sentences. Here is the opening sentence of each paragraph.

MtPundit:
Republicans are panicking over the new book of former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and will likely start to discredit him for committing the unforgivable heresy of praising President Clinton and criticizing President Bush.
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Illinois Review:
Many on the right are lamenting the “conversion” of former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan and will likely start to discredit him for committing the unforgivable heresy of praising Clinton and criticizing Bush.

Just a few words changed here and there, as an seventh grader knows how to do.

MtPundit:
In the Internet age, party hacks on both sides will spin Greenspan’s remarks and turn them into what they aren’t.
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Illinois Review:
In the information age, or more appropriately the disinformation age, pundits on both sides will spin Greenspan’s remarks and globalize them into what they aren’t.

A few dropped words at the end. Nice attempt to hide some vocabulary that Hagen didn’t think believable. Good thinking, that will throw them off.

MtPundit:
The fact remains, deficits do matter. The technical term for a family that routinely deficit spends is “bankrupt”. The sub-prime mortgage fallout is just another case of what happens when families do this in bulk.
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Illinois Review:
The fact remains, deficits do matter. The technical term for a family that routinely deficit spends is “bankrupt”. The sub-prime mortgage fallout is just another case of what happens when families do this in bulk.

OK, never mind, that whole paragraph was yanked. And it keeps going and going.

I looked closely to make sure that there weren’t any links or any points crediting the original author. There are none. I did notice that there is a link on the article to James Bambenek’s blog called Part-Time Pundit, where he has a cross posting of the piece that matches the plagiarized piece word for word.

Clearly look at the pieces that come before it and note that other’s works are presented in block quotes and cited. Hagen has pointed out derivative work, so this can’t be an issue of not understanding the rules. Hagen claims to be a college student at MSU, so he clearly understands what plagiary is and how it is viewed. He must know about references, citations, wholesale cutting and pasting and so forth.

This is patently dishonest theft and a discredit to bloggers. Conservative, liberal or moderate, this isn’t how we do business in the Montana blogosphere. Not only does this cheat the original author, it cheats the reader. Be honest.

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26 Comments»

Comment by Jay StevensWebsite
2007-09-18 06:35:40

Aw, go easy on the inturn!

 
Comment by carolWebsite
2007-09-18 07:11:03

Good catch, Shane.

 
Comment by WulfgarWebsite
2007-09-18 07:22:49

Hagen is the ‘lobbiest’ now living in ‘bozeman’. TJ is the former ‘inturn’ and most excellent college scholar. Whether it is seen as polite or not, spelling and grammatical errors are directly relevant when one is promoting oneself as a credible source or professional. I care very little that they misspell in their posts, but the about page was just too delicious a treat not to comment on.

Regarding the earlier post, where Hagen recounts the apochriphal story of being an accused ‘flag waver’, I remain completely convinced that I’ve read that very story before, very recently (with perhaps minor detail changes.) I took a quick look through some of the right wing websites that I read and didn’t find it, but I remain completely convinced that it was ganked from somewhere. I’ll check the recent editorials in the newspaper (if I remember or care enough to do so) and see if that’s where he cribbed it from.

Comment by Shane C. MasonWebsite
2007-09-18 08:03:42

I remain completely convinced that I’ve read that very story before, very recently (with perhaps minor detail changes.)

Agreed. 100%. That story smacks of truthiness. At least it was rewritten in the authors own voice.

 
Comment by Shane C. MasonWebsite
2007-09-18 09:42:10

When I first started blogging, it was pointed out that I frequently made spelling errors and my grammar is not perfect. I agree that it drastically distracts from the credibility of the ideas presented in the post. I agree that when it is as blatant as we saw on MtPundit, it makes the pieces laughable.

Myself, I figured out that the Google Toolbar has a tremendous built in spell checker. Problem mostly solved. I worked on my grammar a bit, there is no toolbar for that ;) I honestly feel like almost all of the criticism leveled at Hagen et al was intended as constructive, and it appeared to be working in their case as well.

As heated as the debates get on the Montana blogs, it really is like a village. I think people genuinely care.

 
 
Comment by MT Pundit
2007-09-18 08:17:03

Shane, originally I had a reference to Illinois Review at the bottom and I did not notice it was dropped when I posted. It was dropped along with some other links I had. My intention was not to mislead or to not give credit where credit was due. My changes were not intended to mislead but to change to what I was thinking. I am a conservative and very angry with the irresponsibility of the republicans.

Comment by Shane C. MasonWebsite
2007-09-18 10:38:53

Hagen, I am sorry, but I don’t buy it on any level. I’ll try and explain:

Shane, originally I had a reference to Illinois Review at the bottom and I did not notice it was dropped when I posted.

First, we don’t generally wholesale repost another author’s work. Generally, the law doesn’t allow it because it is the property of the author and publisher. The law might regard blogs differently, but we as writers should not. If you wanted us to read the whole piece, just post a link to it. Otherwise, folks usually quote a few sentences or a paragraph and then add their own analysis. So, were this true, it still demonstrates an extreme lack of judgment.

My intention was not to mislead or to not give credit where credit was due. My changes were not intended to mislead but to change to what I was thinking.

Again, this is not OK. You can’t change another authors work and then pass it off as your own. A sentence here and there is a forgivable crime, but the whole piece? There is only one word for that: plagiarism.

You go to school at MSU, so look at their information on the topic:

Plagiarism, using someone else’s words or ideas and claiming them as your own, either intentionally or unintentionally, is a form of scholastic dishonesty and may result in a loss of credit, a failing grade, or other academic penalties.

I don’t buy that you changed a few words here and there and then decided to cite the original author, but somehow those citations just dropped off the face of the earth while the rest of the article stayed. It just doesn’t make sense.

 
Comment by Shane C. MasonWebsite
2007-09-18 11:16:03

One more point. You claim that you altered the original authors work to say what you wanted to say, but look at those changes:

“information age” changed to “internet age”
“pundits on both sides” changed to “party hacks on both sides”

“globalize them into what they aren’t. ” changed to “turn them into what they aren’t”

These were clearly lame attempts to disguise the original work. That’s all. They don’t change the work in a meaningful way.

 
 
Comment by Colby NataleWebsite
2007-09-18 09:25:08

He put up a link and cited the author, but his modifications to the original remain. So either it is an original piece with quotes (in which case he should blockquote), or it is a reposting of the original material (in which case he should strip his modifications). I mean, he has essentially changed another author’s work and not said so.

 
Comment by free thought
2007-09-18 10:30:30

I think this is a very fair criticism, and whether the original post was updated with links/credit or not, it does not smell right. I’m glad I stick to the trivial when I put up posts.

 
Comment by noodly appendage
2007-09-18 12:12:17

While I still await “Pat Davis” returning money to whomever, I agree that originality, grammar, and spelling all count.

As does civility and good humor. But I understand that’s just me.

Comment by Shane C. MasonWebsite
2007-09-18 12:46:01

True ‘dat noodley. We all make mistakes, especially in comments (which are generally less researched than posts).

I have to ask though, is the reference to ‘civility and good humor’ a dig at me?

Comment by noodly appendage
2007-09-18 15:48:46

Shane: NO

Comment by jhwygirlWebsite
2007-09-18 18:46:12

I could guess, but I’d hate to be wrong…

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Comment by Bob
2007-09-18 12:57:17

Shane, you deserve a lot of credit for sniffing out Hagen’s theft.
I was wondering if it might be appropriate for Montana Pundit to upgrade the Gettysburg Address for posting on current affairs?
“Now we are engaged in a great civil war in Iraq, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.”

 
Comment by WulfgarWebsite
2007-09-18 15:48:18

An ethical question: I’m the kinda guy who really should have simply pointed at the plagiarist and laughed my ass off. But, even after his herculean (and hollow) effort to cover his ass, I still responded to what little might appear to be original content from him on that post. Good or bad? Is public shunning the appropriate response? I kinda think so, but …

What say the folk here?

Comment by Shane C. MasonWebsite
2007-09-18 15:56:38

I don’t know Wulfgar. I too would like to hear what other people say and do. To me, the moment with that blog is kind of ruined.

Comment by Shane C. MasonWebsite
2007-09-18 15:59:44

Especially when we consider that there are several other good conserva-bloggers with real integrity around now. Consider Carol, The Scoop, Dave Budge and even Andy and Eric. Each of them have some level of integrity, right provoking post and haven’t tried to play us for complete fools.

Comment by noodly appendage
2007-09-18 21:45:03

Just reading the “Abortion war” headline was enough for me to move on.

I’m lookin for conversation, not war.

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Comment by TMMWebsite
2007-09-19 20:37:42

Shunning? Yup. I’m tempted to say more, but then I’d violate some of my own principles…

 
 
Comment by Bob
2007-09-18 18:23:35

How to deal with plagiarism is a potent question, not only on the internet or blogging per se. It happens in the academic world, among students and professors, as well as in journalism and fiction writing. Lawsuits are filed, journalists are fired, historians are pilloried, rules of ethics are drawn up, professional associations are formed to combat the problem, etc.
How you folks in the Montana blog community responded so quickly to the egregious plagiarism of Hagen at Montana Pundit is highly commendable. It takes that kind of alertness and ethical concern to maintain the integrity of any medium of communication.
When someone has the gall to say, as Hagen did earlier, “My changes were not intended to mislead but to change to what I was thinking,” it is difficult to understand what in fact he was thinking. At the very least, Hagen has seriously undermined any claim to credibility he was seeking for himself by stealing from someone else.

 
Comment by Michael EricksonWebsite
2007-09-19 12:00:29

Just a damn “weak” excuse I’d say! And then to compound it further with an explanation? WOW :-(

 
Comment by Mark TokarskiWebsite
2007-09-19 21:19:33

Shane - damn I am sorry I missed this as it came down - what a fine piece of work on your part. You nailed him. Cold.

Comment by Shane C. MasonWebsite
2007-09-19 21:27:28

Thank you sir. I hope that something good comes out of it.

 
 
Comment by WulfgarWebsite
2007-09-21 07:28:24

I *don’t* believe this Hagen guy can be any more moronic! He just copied (stole) an article from another blog, signed the post as the original author, and he apparently thinks that’s all okey-dokey. It’s gonna be a freaking miracle if this guy’s website survives another month without him getting his ass sued off.

 
Comment by Rocky SmithWebsite
2007-09-21 15:59:32

No matter your political bent, plagiarism is not to be tolerated. Thanks for the heads up Shane- though I can’t say I’ve ever visited the site as of yet. Doubt I will now.

 

 
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